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Welcome again, everyone to our next At The Helm series!

At The Helm is a deep-dive into the intangibles of a company (aside from their reports and statistics) by talking to the key people behind the scenes.

The ones that run the day-to-day of the companies, and knows the ins and outs.

This week, we talked to Thomas Laboulle, the current CEO of Toku.

Toku was recently listed on the Singapore Exchange in January 2026. It is an AI-powered customer experience platform that provides cloud communications services.

It’s been almost 2 months since its listing, let’s check in with Thomas to see how Toku is doing.

Q: Congratulations on the successful listing of Toku on the Catalist Board. With the company trading for 1.5 months now, what is your take on investors' interest in the company so far?

We are encouraged by the level of engagement we have seen since listing. We have had constructive conversations with both retail and institutional investors.

Many are focused on understanding Toku’s business and technology, and how that aligns with our business strategy and goals.

Most importantly, the IPO was not just about raising capital; it was about:

  • Resetting the company’s capital structure

  • Opening a new chapter as a publicly listed entity

We are still early in our journey as a listed company, and our focus remains on:

  • Delivering consistent growth,

  • Improving operating leverage,

  • Communicating clearly

Over time, we believe sustained performance will translate into deeper investor conviction.

Q: Let's talk about strategy. From the prospectus, Toku is shifting towards the higher-margin subscription and licensing segment to achieve a higher blended gross profit margin. Could you comment on what kind of margins the Usage and Subscription & Licensing segments are generating?


The Group does not disclose margin details by individual revenue stream. However, the structural differences between them are significant.

The Subscriptions and Licensing segment carries materially higher margins than Usage, which is why a gradual shift towards software and licensing revenue remains central to the Group’s margin progression over time.

  • On the Subscriptions and Licensing side, these are recurring software access and feature licensing contracts, typically annual or multi-year. Because they are built on our proprietary technology rather than third-party pass-through costs, margins are structurally superior and more predictable.

  • As this stream scales, supported by our channel partner programme and deeper enterprise adoption, we expect it to have a progressively positive effect on our blended gross margin.

Usage segment’s revenue, which accounts for the bulk of our top line, is predominantly voice and messaging traffic flowing through our connectivity platform. The margins here are influenced by carrier and infrastructure costs and reflect the volume-driven nature of that business.

However, as AI-powered capabilities such as transcription, summarisation, and sentiment analysis gain adoption within the Usage stream, we expect the margin profile of this category to improve over time, since these value-added services carry a higher margin than traditional connectivity.

In short, the margin expansion opportunity comes from two directions: a gradual shift in revenue mix towards higher-margin software, and improving margins within the Usage stream itself through AI-enhanced services.

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Q: In the full-year 2025 results, it seems like Usage revenue growth (21%) outpaced Subscription & Licensing (0.6%) growth. Consequently, the revenue mix has now shifted back towards the Usage segment. Can you talk about what kind of revenue mix Toku is aiming for in 2026?


That is a fair observation, and it reflects the dynamics of a platform business at our stage of growth. The 21% increase in Usage segment’s revenue in FY2025 was driven by:

  • Expanded traffic volumes from existing APAC customers

  • Full-year contribution of our Latin American operations

  • Early-stage AI monetisation

That growth outpaced the more stable Subscriptions and Licensing stream, which grew modestly at 0.6% but continued to provide a solid contracted recurring base.

As compared to a specific target revenue mix for FY2026, our priority is progressive margin improvement, and we see that coming from two directions.

  • First, Subscriptions and Licensing remains structurally our highest-margin stream, and we continue to invest in growing it through our channel partner programme, deeper enterprise adoption, and the licensing of AI-enabled platform features. That stream grew from 9.9% of revenue in FY2022 to 17.6% in FY2024, and over the medium term, we remain committed to increasing its share.

  • Second, and importantly, the quality of our Usage revenue is also improving. As our AI-powered capabilities, such as transcription, summarisation, and sentiment analysis, gain broader production adoption, the Usage stream increasingly includes higher-margin, value-added services alongside traditional connectivity traffic. This is consistent with the broader shift we are seeing across enterprise software, where AI capabilities are increasingly priced on a consumption basis, layered on top of base platform subscriptions. The result is that margin improvement is no longer solely dependent on mix shift; it is also being driven by improving unit economics within Usage itself.

In short, the trajectory of the Group’s blended margins over time provides a more meaningful indicator of performance than the quarterly mix between Usage and Subscriptions and Licensing revenue segments, as the revenue mix evolves and the margin profile progressively improves.

Q: For 2026, with the conclusion of the IPO process, will Toku still continue to pursue aggressive discounts to get more clients to buy Toku's services? Should investors expect to see margins trending up or compressed margins because of the discounts?

With the IPO process behind us, our commercial approach in 2026 is increasingly shaped by discipline and selectivity, rather than pursuing growth through aggressive discounting.

Like most enterprise platform companies in their early growth phase, we offered commercial incentives in selected situations to land anchor customers, particularly those deploying across multiple markets or adopting the platform for the first time.

That is a normal part of building an enterprise business. That said, discounting has never been our primary growth lever, and it is not how we build longterm customer relationships.

As brand recognition improves and our platform becomes better understood, especially among enterprise and publicsector customers, conversations are increasingly anchored around value, reliability and outcomes, rather than price alone.

This allows us to be more consistent and thoughtful in how solutions are priced, reflecting the scope, complexity and accountability involved.

From a margin perspective, investors should not expect margin compression driven by widespread discounting.

Instead, our focus is on gradual margin improvement over time, supported by mix shift toward highermargin software and AIenhanced services, greater operational leverage, and a more balanced gotomarket model. While competitive dynamics will always exist, pricing discipline remains central to our strategy.

Q: Hong Kong's contribution to revenue has varied wildly in the past few years. It declined by more than 80% from 2022 to 2024, but has subsequently rebounded by 227% in 2025. Can you talk about why this has been the case? Is Toku experiencing high customer churn in Hong Kong?

The fluctuations in Hong Kong revenue mainly reflect how we report revenue by geography rather than any change in our customer relationships. Our enterprise relationships with customers connected to Hong Kong remain strong.

Revenue is reported based on where the customer entity that signs the contract is registered, not necessarily where the services are actually used.

Many of our customers are multinational companies, and contracts are sometimes signed through a regional or global entity located in a different country.

From time to time, these companies also reorganise their internal structures, which can change which country the contract is recorded under even though the customer relationship and platform usage remain the same.

As a result, movements in a particular geographic revenue line may not always reflect changes in demand in that market.

Accordingly, the trajectory of the Group’s total revenue and the quality of its customer base over time provide a more reliable indicator of underlying performance than the geographic distribution of revenue in any single period. 

Q: Toku has earmarked about SG$4.6 million for potential acquisitions and partnerships. In terms of acquisitions, what will be the philosophy that Toku adopts when looking at the deal? Will it be similar to the Activeo SEA acquisition?

Our philosophy towards acquisitions is disciplined and strategic rather than opportunistic. We see M&A primarily as a tool for accelerating market access and scaling our distribution, not just for adding technology.

Going forward, we would look at targets that meet three key criteria:

  • First, strategic reach. Our revenue today is concentrated in APAC, and while we are building a channel partner programme to enable indirect distribution over time, the right acquisition can accelerate our direct commercial presence in markets where we have early traction or identified demand. That could mean acquiring a business with an existing enterprise customer base, local regulatory expertise, or established market relationships that we can deploy our platform through. The Activeo SEA acquisition followed this logic: it gave us both an enterprise footprint and professional services capability that would have taken years to build organically.

  • Second, financial discipline. We will prioritise deals that are either earnings-accretive within a reasonable timeframe or that clearly accelerate monetisation of higher-margin revenue streams.

  • Third, integration feasibility. We prefer bolt-on acquisitions where technology and teams can be integrated without disproportionate execution risk.

Most importantly, acquisitions are not the only growth lever that we are looking at.

Partnerships, especially through our expanding channel ecosystem, can sometimes achieve similar outcomes with lower capital intensity.

We will remain selective and patient and will update as and when there are material developments.

Q: As Toku is aiming to expand its channel partnerships and simultaneously invest in its own platform brand, how is it balancing the pursuit of quicker revenue channels and the branding risks that it could face due to channel partnerships?

We are very conscious of the tradeoff between accelerating market entry through channel partnerships and protecting the longterm strength of the Toku brand.

The way we manage this balance is through:

  • Strict partner selection

  • Formal enablement requirements

In our core and more complex markets, we continue to sell and deliver directly through our own teams to retain full control over customer experience and brand representation.

Channel partnerships are primarily used to expand into new or adjacent markets, and only where partners meet clearly defined capability thresholds.

As outlined in our Offer Document, scaling through partners requires structured training, education programmes and certification.

Given the complexity of our 360° CX platform and the enterprise environments we operate in, partners are expected to demonstrate enterprisegrade technical expertise, complete required training, and align with our security, compliance and delivery standards before they are able to sell or deploy our solutions.

This approach deliberately slows down partner onboarding in the short term, but it materially reduces brand and execution risk.

At the same time, continued investment in the Toku platform brand strengthens our position with both customers and partners, allowing us to set clear expectations around quality, accountability and conduct.

To summarise, channel partnerships are not viewed as a shortcut to revenue but a means to build a certified, wellgoverned partner ecosystem that supports responsible scaling while protecting brand equity and longterm value.

Q: What should investors look forward to in 2026?

2026 is about scaling what we have built.

  • Firstly, we expect AI-driven usage to contribute progressively to revenue as the Core AI Suite and Agentic AI programme move into broader production deployment.

  • Secondly, margin improvement remains a priority. With IPO-related transitional items behind us and our highest-cost borrowing facility scheduled for early retirement, we enter FY2026 in our strongest financial position since inception. We will focus on improving revenue mix and operating leverage.

  • Thirdly, our channel partner program will be a key driver. By expanding through partners, we aim to scale subscriptions and licensing revenue without proportional increases in cost.

Overall, our core focuses for 2026 are:

  • Disciplined growth

  • Expansion of revenue

  • Sustainable earnings over the medium term

We had a great time talking to Thomas about Toku’s prospects moving forward. If you want to know more about the company, go on over to Toku to find out more!

Regards
James Yeo

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